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English (US) vs English (UK)
I think we need some consensus on whether people should use American English spelling or British English spelling. Whatever we're gonna use, it should be put into the style guidelines. (Yes, I always focus on the most important topics! :D) --Fochti (talk) 22:47, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
autistic vs Autistic
We need some consensus on whether we capitalise "Autistic", like "Deaf", or not; prefarably sooner than later :D What do you think? --Fochti (talk) 22:47, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Personally I'm accustomed to using lowercase. If others prefer uppercase, my suggestion would be: (1) use uppercase 'A' to refer to the Autistic community as a distinct subculture, but (2) use lowercase 'a' to refer to autistic people when talking about our neurotype itself. Thus a person could be 'autistic' (the neurotype) without necessarily also being "Autistic" (participating in the Autistic community). Mona Pereth (talk) 15:11, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
REQUEST: make external links open in new window
I think the usual thing is for external links (to other sites) to open in another window/tab. I think maybe that's how it worked yesterday and it got changed. Here's the docs on how to adjust the setting: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgExternalLinkTarget --Severian (talk) 01:57, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Adding images
Is there a way to add images to a page? The help says to upload an image, but I don't know where to upload it to
Should we have a page saying where to get autism-related stuff? On the one hand, this could be a useful resource. On the other, it could very easily turn into a spam page, w/ nothing but free advertising
- Good question. That may be too difficult to judge. Anything from noise-cancelling headphones to T-shirts w/ Autism-related sayings
Deleting pages (answered)
Is it possible to actually delete a page (for example if it's redundant or spam), or do you need to make it a redirect? If so, where would you redirect a spam page to? --Fochti (talk) 01:44, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, it is possible, but only if you're one of the wiki's administrators --Fochti (talk) 20:47, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Citing community consensus
How should we assert "distilled wisdom" such as ABA being harmful? (It seems important to do so, see e.g. this thread: https://twitter.com/WIRblog/status/1563002859246956544)
We could use phrases like "Many people within the autistic community agree that...", but we want to avoid "false controversies" (thanks @fochti for this phrase!) where it seems like there's disagreement on a topic when really there's broad agreement.
Much of what the #ActuallyAutistic community has done is share our experiences until we collectively distill certain things that seem broadly true to us. This is like What We Do, and it would be really valuable to share this knowledge with with new #ActuallyAutistic people and with the world at large.
We're talking about knowledge about knowledge: not just "ABA is harmful", but "There's #ActuallyAutistic consensus that ABA is harmful"
Special citations for asserting community consensus
One possibility would be to have have certain special citations:
- [community-consensus]: means there's rough community consensus within the #ActuallyAutistic community
- [community-controversy]: means there's meaningful controversy within the #ActuallyAutistic community; sizeable groups on more than one side
- [experimental-theory]: experimental theory, not yet tested and accepted or rejected by the #ActuallyAutistic community at large
Examples:
- ABA is harmful [community-consensus] [1] [2] [3]
- Most people within the #ActuallyAutistic community prefer identity-first language [community-consensus]
- Masking isn't worth it [community-controversy]
- Monotropism explains everything about autism [experimental-theory]
Tags like "[community-consensus]" could link to an explanation of what community consensus means, how knowledge is distilled within the #ActuallyAutistic community, etc.
Very open to suggestions about what the actual tags should be. For example maybe instead of [community-consensus] it should be [actuallyautistic-consensus] or [autistic-consensus] or [aa-consensus] or [our-consensus] or [consensus] or [consensus-view] or...
Special language for asserting community consensus
Alternatively we could write out certain key phrases:
- There's consensus within the #ActuallyAutistic community that ABA is harmful.
- There's consensus within the #ActuallyAutistic community that most autists within the #ActuallyAutistic community prefer identity-first language
- There's controversy within the community about whether masking is worth it
- There's an experimental theory that monotropism explains everything
Writing out the phrases feels a bit wordy, and also shoves the content of the sentence to the end. Could also be written the other way around:
- ABA is harmful, according to rough consensus within the community.
- Most people within the #ActuallyAutistic prefer identity-first language, according to rough consensus within the community.
But this still feels wordy. I think I like the special citation form.
Citation storms
Another possibility (which we could do in addition to using tags like [community-consensus]) would be to have "citation storms", where we maybe cite like 50 or 100 Twitter threads of lived experience of #ActuallyAutistic people.
But a citation storm can't stand in for something like [community-consensus] tags, because a citation storm on its own doesn't assert that there aren't other popular views within the community.
--AutExplorer (talk) 15:07, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
