Over-apologizing - Revision history

172.30.3.125 at 22:58, 26 September 2022

2022-09-26T22:58:47Z

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	When abuse has patterns, a person can adapt to knowing when they have a higher chance of safety and a higher chance of threat. This allows them to learn situations where they can find some sense of peace and order.		When abuse has patterns, a person can adapt to knowing when they have a higher chance of safety and a higher chance of threat. This allows them to learn situations where they can find some sense of peace and order.

	Please note that most Autistic people ''thrive'' off of order and predicatable outcomes, and are ~~destoryed~~ by not knowing what to anticipate or expect.		Please note that most Autistic people ''thrive'' off of order and predicatable outcomes, and are destroyed by not knowing what to anticipate or expect.

	As we said, many if not most forms of abuse have some form of pattern to them that allows for the victim to have a sense of understanding and stability.		As we said, many if not most forms of abuse have some form of pattern to them that allows for the victim to have a sense of understanding and stability.

	Some ~~truely~~ unfortunate Autistic people find themselves in environments where their Autistic empathy and collection of Autistic traits does not allow for them to establish an awareness of Allistic social rules and expectation.		Some truly unfortunate Autistic people find themselves in environments where their Autistic empathy and collection of Autistic traits does not allow for them to establish an awareness of Allistic social rules and expectation.

	To this person's perspective, many if not all of their attempts to communicate have a random chance of incurring some kind of punishment. So their every desire to communicate comes with the knowledge and awareness that some kind of harm may come to them.		To this person's perspective, many if not all of their attempts to communicate have a random chance of incurring some kind of punishment. So their every desire to communicate comes with the knowledge and awareness that some kind of harm may come to them.

ZoeB at 10:04, 26 August 2022

2022-08-26T10:04:12Z

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	"I am sorry if this is inaccurate, and I recognize I have no place to say this but there is a slim possibility, in some cases that you might be Autistic if your statements apologize for even saying anything at all, if you know what I mean. I am sorry if I said too much. I am just trying to be helpful. Please ~~don’t~~ take offense. I am … I guess I ~~shouldn’t~~ have said anything at all. Forget it. I ~~don’t~~ know what I was saying. It was clearly a mistake. I am really really sorry. Please forgive me."		<blockquote>I am sorry if this is inaccurate, and I recognize I have no place to say this but there is a slim possibility, in some cases that you might be Autistic if your statements apologize for even saying anything at all, if you know what I mean. I am sorry if I said too much. I am just trying to be helpful. Please don't take offense. I am... I guess I shouldn't have said anything at all. Forget it. I don't know what I was saying. It was clearly a mistake. I am really really sorry. Please forgive me.</blockquote>

	All humor aside, chronic apologizing is a common ~~Traumagenic~~ Autistic ~~Trait~~, one that manifests when an Autistic person is mistreated.		All humor aside, '''chronic apologizing''' is a common [[traumagenic Autistic trait]], one that manifests when an Autistic person is mistreated.

	This speech pattern develops because the way the Autistic person interacted was repeatedly deemed unacceptable so they assume negative consequences when they talk.		This speech pattern develops because the way the Autistic person interacted was repeatedly deemed unacceptable so they assume negative consequences when they talk.

	These kinds of traits can easily manifest and snowball (~~alt~~ build upon themselves rapidly) if an Autistic person is not accomodated by society and society does not have the time or patience to help the Autistic person to understand Allistic behaviors.		These kinds of traits can easily manifest and snowball (and build upon themselves rapidly) if an Autistic person is not accomodated by society, and society does not have the time or patience to help the Autistic person to understand Allistic behaviors.

	In this example, of, basically apoligizing for attempting to communicate, the Autistic person has likely been told that they broke various rules, social norms, etiquette, etc.. without sufficient explanation for what they did "wrong" from an Allistic viewpoint.		In this example, of basically apoligizing for attempting to communicate, the Autistic person has likely been told that they broke various rules, social norms, etiquette, etc. without sufficient explanation for what they did "wrong" from an Allistic viewpoint.

	People are ~~largelly~~ unaware but this is one of the most powerful and traumatizing forms of abuse that a human can experience:		People are largely unaware, but this is one of the most powerful and traumatizing forms of abuse that a human can experience: ''Random and unpredictable punishment''.

	~~Random and unpredictable punishment~~		People around this Autistic person may have absolutely no intention of harming, punishing, or abusing them, or any negative intetion whatsoever. However, from the perspective of the Autistic persion, whenever they try to communicate, in ways they cannot predict, they are often told they are "doing something bad".

	~~People around this~~ Autistic person ~~may have absolutely no intention of harming, punishing~~, ~~abusing~~, ~~or any negative intetion whatsoever~~.		Because the Autistic person in this situation cannot navigate the rules, all they can do is try their best to protect themselves from what they see as random, unpredicatable rejections.

	~~From the perspective of the Autistic persion though, they keep trying to communicate and in ways they cannot predict they "do something bad"~~		{{Warning}}

	~~Because the Autistic person in this situation cannot navigate the rules, all they can do is try their best to protect themselves from what they see as random rejections and unpredicatable rejections.~~		The following descriptions may be triggering, but it's important to put the perspective of this person into full context so that people can understand the harm that some Autistic people experience.

	The following descriptions may be triggering but ~~we want~~ to put the perspective of this person into full context so that people can understand the harm that some Autistic people experience.

	No form of abuse is acceptable.		No form of abuse is acceptable.

	Many if not most forms of abuse are predictable.		Many, if not most, forms of abuse are predictable.

	For example, if a person is abused by someone who drinks, the victim ~~learn~~ that they are safe when their abuser is not consuming alcohol.		For example, if a person is abused by someone who drinks, the victim learns that they are safe when their abuser is not consuming alcohol.

	When abuse has patterns a person can adapt to knowing when they have a higher chance of safety and a higher chance of threat. This allows them to learn situations where they can find some sense of peace and order.		When abuse has patterns, a person can adapt to knowing when they have a higher chance of safety and a higher chance of threat. This allows them to learn situations where they can find some sense of peace and order.

	Please note that most Autistic people ~~'''~~''thrive~~'''~~'' off of order and predicatable outcomes and are destoryed by not knowing what to anticipate or expect.		Please note that most Autistic people ''thrive'' off of order and predicatable outcomes, and are destoryed by not knowing what to anticipate or expect.

	As we said, many if not most forms of abuse have some form of pattern to them that allows for the victim to have a sense of understanding and stability.		As we said, many if not most forms of abuse have some form of pattern to them that allows for the victim to have a sense of understanding and stability.
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	Some truely unfortunate Autistic people find themselves in environments where their Autistic empathy and collection of Autistic traits does not allow for them to establish an awareness of Allistic social rules and expectation.		Some truely unfortunate Autistic people find themselves in environments where their Autistic empathy and collection of Autistic traits does not allow for them to establish an awareness of Allistic social rules and expectation.

	To this person's perspective many, if not all of their attempts to communicate have an random ~~change~~ of incurring a punishment ~~of some form~~. So their every desire to communicate comes with the knowledge and awareness that harm~~, of some from,~~ may come to them.		To this person's perspective, many if not all of their attempts to communicate have a random chance of incurring some kind of punishment. So their every desire to communicate comes with the knowledge and awareness that some kind of harm may come to them.

	Because anything they say or do could be wrong, the Autistic person's only percieved safety is to preface their attempts with ~~apoligies~~ in the hopes that the unpredictable punisment will be less harsh.		Because anything they say or do could be wrong, the Autistic person's only percieved safety is to preface their attempts with apologies in the hopes that the unpredictable punisment will be less harsh.

	The truly sad fact is that most Autistic people have great difficulty communicating with Allistics and need profound focus to emulate Allistic styles of communciation and most Autistics are severely compromised when multi-tasking.		The truly sad fact is that most Autistic people have great difficulty communicating with Allistics and need profound focus to emulate Allistic styles of communciation and most Autistics are severely compromised when multi-tasking.

	~~You can see~~, ~~hopefully that~~ this Autistic person is ~~therefore~~ in an ~~extremley~~ compromised state:		Therefore, this Autistic person is in an extremely compromised state:

	* ~~attempting~~ the supremely difficult take of emulating Allistic social dynamics to communicate		* Attempting the supremely difficult take of emulating Allistic social dynamics to communicate
			* Multitasking -- an attempt to protect themselves from harm and punishment.

	* multitasking --- an attempt to ~~protect themselves from harm~~ and ~~punishment~~.		In other words, the Autistic person will be doing the hardest things possible for them to do while severly mentally compromised and vunlerable, and they are in this state ''because'' their environment and/or Autistic drives are likely to punish them if they fail.

	~~In other words, the Ausitic~~ person will ~~be doing the hardest things possible for them to do while severly mentally compromised and vunlerable~~, ~~and~~ they ~~are in~~ this state ~~'''''because''''' their environment~~ and~~/or Autistic drives are likely~~ to ~~punish them if they~~ fail.		When it is likely that an Autistic person will experience this state regularly, out of instinct they will spend much of their time while outside of this state developing coping mechanism and strategies to not fail the next time, serving only to exacerbate the problem.

	~~When it~~ is ~~likely that an Autistic person will experience this state regularly~~, ~~out of instinct they will spend much of their time while outside of this state~~, ~~developing coping mechanism~~ and ~~strategies~~ to ~~not fail the next time~~, ~~serving only to exacerbate~~ the ~~problem~~.		This is one example of how powerful, tenacious, insidious, self-propagating, and damaging traumagenic Autistic traits can be, why it is so important to identify when such cycles are occurring, and why accomodating the Autistic is so critical.

	This is one example of how powerful, tenacious, insidious, self-propagating, and damaging Traumagenic Autistic Traits can be and why it is so important to identify when such cycles are occuring and why accomodating the Autistic is so critical.		[[Category:Trauma responses]]

Fochti: Fochti moved page Chronic Apologizing to Over-apologizing: Renamed because imho over-apologizing fits the contents better

2022-08-25T21:59:10Z

Fochti moved page Chronic Apologizing to Over-apologizing: Renamed because imho over-apologizing fits the contents better

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Revision as of 21:59, 25 August 2022

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2022-08-25T07:42:48Z

Hyphenated multitasking - removed the "e" from truly; and made some other minor corrections and sentence changes like "sever*e*ly mentally compromised"

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	Because anything they say or do could be wrong, the Autistic person's only percieved safety is to preface their attempts with apoligies in the hopes that the unpredictable punisment will be less harsh.		Because anything they say or do could be wrong, the Autistic person's only percieved safety is to preface their attempts with apoligies in the hopes that the unpredictable punisment will be less harsh.

	The ~~truely~~ sad fact is that most Autistic people have great difficulty communicating with Allistics and need profound focus to emulate Allistic styles of communciation and most Autistics are severely compromised when multi-tasking.		The truly sad fact is that most Autistic people have great difficulty communicating with Allistics and need profound focus to emulate Allistic styles of communciation and most Autistics are severely compromised when multi-tasking.

	You can see, hopefully that this Autistic person is therefore in an extremley compromised state:		You can see, hopefully that this Autistic person is therefore in an extremley compromised state:

	* attempting the supremely difficult take of ~~emulate~~ Allistic social dynamics to communicate		* attempting the supremely difficult take of emulating Allistic social dynamics to communicate

	* multitasking an attempt to protect themselves from harm and punishment.		* multitasking --- an attempt to protect themselves from harm and punishment.

	In other words, the Ausitic person will be doing the hardest things possible for them to do while severly mentally compromised and vunlerable, and they are in this state '''''because''''' their environment and/or Autistic drives are likely to punish them if they fail.		In other words, the Ausitic person will be doing the hardest things possible for them to do while severly mentally compromised and vunlerable, and they are in this state '''''because''''' their environment and/or Autistic drives are likely to punish them if they fail.

	When it is likely that an Autistic person will experience this state regularly, out of ~~intinct~~ they will spend much of their time while outside of this state, ~~devoloping~~ coping mechanism and strategies to not fail the next time~~. which~~ only ~~serves~~ to exacerbate the problem.		When it is likely that an Autistic person will experience this state regularly, out of instinct they will spend much of their time while outside of this state, developing coping mechanism and strategies to not fail the next time, serving only to exacerbate the problem.

	This is one example of how powerful, tenacious, insidious, self-~~propogating~~, and damaging Traumagenic Autistic Traits can be and why it is so important to identify when such cycles are occuring and why accomodating the Autistic is so critical.		This is one example of how powerful, tenacious, insidious, self-propagating, and damaging Traumagenic Autistic Traits can be and why it is so important to identify when such cycles are occuring and why accomodating the Autistic is so critical.

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Created page with ""I am sorry if this is inaccurate, and I recognize I have no place to say this but there is a slim possibility, in some cases that you might be Autistic if your statements apologize for even saying anything at all, if you know what I mean. I am sorry if I said too much. I am just trying to be helpful. Please don’t take offense. I am … I guess I shouldn’t have said anything at all. Forget it. I don’t know what I was saying. It was clearly a mistake. I am really re..."

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"I am sorry if this is inaccurate, and I recognize I have no place to say this but there is a slim possibility, in some cases that you might be Autistic if your statements apologize for even saying anything at all, if you know what I mean. I am sorry if I said too much. I am just trying to be helpful. Please don’t take offense. I am … I guess I shouldn’t have said anything at all. Forget it. I don’t know what I was saying. It was clearly a mistake. I am really really sorry. Please forgive me."

All humor aside, chronic apologizing is a common Traumagenic Autistic Trait, one that manifests when an Autistic person is mistreated.

This speech pattern develops because the way the Autistic person interacted was repeatedly deemed unacceptable so they assume negative consequences when they talk.

These kinds of traits can easily manifest and snowball (alt build upon themselves rapidly) if an Autistic person is not accomodated by society and society does not have the time or patience to help the Autistic person to understand Allistic behaviors.

In this example, of, basically apoligizing for attempting to communicate, the Autistic person has likely been told that they broke various rules, social norms, etiquette, etc.. without sufficient explanation for what they did "wrong" from an Allistic viewpoint.

People are largelly unaware but this is one of the most powerful and traumatizing forms of abuse that a human can experience:

Random and unpredictable punishment

People around this Autistic person may have absolutely no intention of harming, punishing, abusing, or any negative intetion whatsoever.

From the perspective of the Autistic persion though, they keep trying to communicate and in ways they cannot predict they "do something bad"

Because the Autistic person in this situation cannot navigate the rules, all they can do is try their best to protect themselves from what they see as random rejections and unpredicatable rejections.

The following descriptions may be triggering but we want to put the perspective of this person into full context so that people can understand the harm that some Autistic people experience.

No form of abuse is acceptable.

Many if not most forms of abuse are predictable.

For example, if a person is abused by someone who drinks, the victim learn that they are safe when their abuser is not consuming alcohol.

When abuse has patterns a person can adapt to knowing when they have a higher chance of safety and a higher chance of threat. This allows them to learn situations where they can find some sense of peace and order.

Please note that most Autistic people '''''thrive''''' off of order and predicatable outcomes and are destoryed by not knowing what to anticipate or expect.

As we said, many if not most forms of abuse have some form of pattern to them that allows for the victim to have a sense of understanding and stability.

Some truely unfortunate Autistic people find themselves in environments where their Autistic empathy and collection of Autistic traits does not allow for them to establish an awareness of Allistic social rules and expectation.

To this person's perspective many, if not all of their attempts to communicate have an random change of incurring a punishment of some form. So their every desire to communicate comes with the knowledge and awareness that harm, of some from, may come to them.

Because anything they say or do could be wrong, the Autistic person's only percieved safety is to preface their attempts with apoligies in the hopes that the unpredictable punisment will be less harsh.

The truely sad fact is that most Autistic people have great difficulty communicating with Allistics and need profound focus to emulate Allistic styles of communciation and most Autistics are severely compromised when multi-tasking.

You can see, hopefully that this Autistic person is therefore in an extremley compromised state:

* attempting the supremely difficult take of emulate Allistic social dynamics to communicate

* multitasking an attempt to protect themselves from harm and punishment.

In other words, the Ausitic person will be doing the hardest things possible for them to do while severly mentally compromised and vunlerable, and they are in this state '''''because''''' their environment and/or Autistic drives are likely to punish them if they fail.

When it is likely that an Autistic person will experience this state regularly, out of intinct they will spend much of their time while outside of this state, devoloping coping mechanism and strategies to not fail the next time. which only serves to exacerbate the problem.

This is one example of how powerful, tenacious, insidious, self-propogating, and damaging Traumagenic Autistic Traits can be and why it is so important to identify when such cycles are occuring and why accomodating the Autistic is so critical.

Over-apologizing - Revision history

172.30.3.125 at 22:58, 26 September 2022

ZoeB at 10:04, 26 August 2022

Fochti: Fochti moved page Chronic Apologizing to Over-apologizing: Renamed because imho over-apologizing fits the contents better

172.30.3.168: Hyphenated multitasking - removed the "e" from truly; and made some other minor corrections and sentence changes like "sever*e*ly mentally compromised"

172.30.3.168: Hyphenated multitasking - removed the "e" from truly; and made some other minor corrections and sentence changes like "severely mentally compromised"