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	There were two Common sense articles, so I brought the other one here. It should probably be merged better, but for the time being, it's a mess lol		{{Comment\|There were two Common sense articles, so I brought the other one here. It should probably be merged better, but for the time being, it's a mess lol}}

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ZoeB at 13:16, 24 August 2022

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	There were two Common sense articles, so I brought the other one here. It should probably be merged better, but for the time being, it's a mess lol		There were two Common sense articles, so I brought the other one here. It should probably be merged better, but for the time being, it's a mess lol

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	When an [[Allism\|allistic]] person implores you to use '''common sense''', usually they're asking you to do what they do: copy whatever everyone else is doing, without learning why (or even if) it works.<ref name="bk-field-guide-earthlings-pattern-36" />		When an [[Allism\|allistic]] person implores you to use '''common sense''', usually they're asking you to do what they do: copy whatever everyone else is doing, without learning why (or even if) it works.<ref name="bk-field-guide-earthlings-pattern-36" />
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	Yet again, unfortunately, I can only offer an explanation, not actionable advice. Probably the best you can hope for is that people will believe you, if you explain that you don't have common sense because you don't have the neurological process used to obtain it.		Yet again, unfortunately, I can only offer an explanation, not actionable advice. Probably the best you can hope for is that people will believe you, if you explain that you don't have common sense because you don't have the neurological process used to obtain it.

	=== References ===		== References ==

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	When further investigating common sense as an autistic person, one finds '''it''' is not a "sense," nor is it "common"; it's merely an assemblance of propositions about the world that are shared within a community across time.		When further investigating common sense as an autistic person, one finds '''it''' is not a "sense," nor is it "common"; it's merely an assemblance of propositions about the world that are shared within a community across time.

	=== Usage of the term by allistics ===		== Usage of the term by allistics ==

	'Common sense' is usually used to express a person who is "sensible" and "correct" (from the speaker's perspective) and has the basic 'knowledge' to 'function within society.' It also presents the idea of common sense being shared by the utmost majority and any deviation is subtly deemed wrong.		'Common sense' is usually used to express a person who is "sensible" and "correct" (from the speaker's perspective) and has the basic 'knowledge' to 'function within society.' It also presents the idea of common sense being shared by the utmost majority and any deviation is subtly deemed wrong.
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	* There is no doubt that the court's decision is a victory for common sense.		* There is no doubt that the court's decision is a victory for common sense.
	* You get out first, and then lift the boxes out. Honestly - use your common sense!		* You get out first, and then lift the boxes out. Honestly - use your common sense!
	</blockquote>[https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/common-sense]		</blockquote>

			[https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/common-sense Cambridge Dictionary: "common sense"]

	However, an idea which is called common sense does not imply it is '''fact'''.<br/>		However, an idea which is called common sense does not imply it is '''fact'''.<br/>
	Examples of non-factual common-sense ideas are: that being in the cold gets you sick, lightning never strikes the same place twice, that you would sink if jumping on lava, et cetera.		Examples of non-factual common-sense ideas are: that being in the cold gets you sick, lightning never strikes the same place twice, that you would sink if jumping on lava, et cetera.

	=== Disagreements regarding Common Sense ===		== Disagreements regarding Common Sense ==

	Furthermore, for something to be deemed common sense, in colloquial use, it needs not to be common (in both small and big scales).		Furthermore, for something to be deemed common sense, in colloquial use, it needs not to be common (in both small and big scales).

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	=== References ===		=== References ===

	<ref name="bk-field-guide-earthlings-pattern-36">~~{{cite book\|last=Ford\|first=Star\|year=2010\|title=~~A Field Guide to Earthlings\|pages=110-112~~\|isbn=9780615426198}}~~</ref>		<references>
			<ref name="bk-field-guide-earthlings-pattern-36">''A Field Guide to Earthlings'', Star Ford, pages 110-112</ref>
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	In summary, common sense is a heavily-relied-on tool for allistics to approximate knowledge which it is incredibly useful and intuitive, but it lacks the consistency, consensus and verifiability of other systems of deriving knowledge such as, for example, [[wikipedia:Scientific_method\|The Scientific Method]].		In summary, common sense is a heavily-relied-on tool for allistics to approximate knowledge which it is incredibly useful and intuitive, but it lacks the consistency, consensus and verifiability of other systems of deriving knowledge such as, for example, [[wikipedia:Scientific_method\|The Scientific Method]].



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Fire Eider at 00:27, 24 August 2022

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			There were two Common sense articles, so I brought the other one here. It should probably be merged better, but for the time being, it's a mess lol

			== Article 1 ==

	When an [[Allism\|allistic]] person implores you to use '''common sense''', usually they're asking you to do what they do: copy whatever everyone else is doing, without learning why (or even if) it works.<ref name="bk-field-guide-earthlings-pattern-36" />		When an [[Allism\|allistic]] person implores you to use '''common sense''', usually they're asking you to do what they do: copy whatever everyone else is doing, without learning why (or even if) it works.<ref name="bk-field-guide-earthlings-pattern-36" />

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	Yet again, unfortunately, I can only offer an explanation, not actionable advice. Probably the best you can hope for is that people will believe you, if you explain that you don't have common sense because you don't have the neurological process used to obtain it.		Yet again, unfortunately, I can only offer an explanation, not actionable advice. Probably the best you can hope for is that people will believe you, if you explain that you don't have common sense because you don't have the neurological process used to obtain it.

	== References ==		=== References ===

	<ref name="bk-field-guide-earthlings-pattern-36">{{cite book\|last=Ford\|first=Star\|year=2010\|title=A Field Guide to Earthlings\|pages=110-112\|isbn=9780615426198}}</ref>		<ref name="bk-field-guide-earthlings-pattern-36">{{cite book\|last=Ford\|first=Star\|year=2010\|title=A Field Guide to Earthlings\|pages=110-112\|isbn=9780615426198}}</ref>


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	When further investigating common sense as an autistic person, one finds '''it''' is not a "sense," nor is it "common"; it's merely an assemblance of propositions about the world that are shared within a community across time.		When further investigating common sense as an autistic person, one finds '''it''' is not a "sense," nor is it "common"; it's merely an assemblance of propositions about the world that are shared within a community across time.

	= Usage of the term by allistics =		=== Usage of the term by allistics ===

	'Common sense' is usually used to express a person who is "sensible" and "correct" (from the speaker's perspective) and has the basic 'knowledge' to 'function within society.' It also presents the idea of common sense being shared by the utmost majority and any deviation is subtly deemed wrong.		'Common sense' is usually used to express a person who is "sensible" and "correct" (from the speaker's perspective) and has the basic 'knowledge' to 'function within society.' It also presents the idea of common sense being shared by the utmost majority and any deviation is subtly deemed wrong.
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	Examples of non-factual common-sense ideas are: that being in the cold gets you sick, lightning never strikes the same place twice, that you would sink if jumping on lava, et cetera.		Examples of non-factual common-sense ideas are: that being in the cold gets you sick, lightning never strikes the same place twice, that you would sink if jumping on lava, et cetera.

	= Disagreements regarding Common Sense =		=== Disagreements regarding Common Sense ===

	Furthermore, for something to be deemed common sense, in colloquial use, it needs not to be common (in both small and big scales).		Furthermore, for something to be deemed common sense, in colloquial use, it needs not to be common (in both small and big scales).

Fire Eider: Don't know how to merge articles, so I copy-pasted from "Common Sense" to here

2022-08-23T17:24:39Z

Don't know how to merge articles, so I copy-pasted from "Common Sense" to here

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	<ref name="bk-field-guide-earthlings-pattern-36">{{cite book\|last=Ford\|first=Star\|year=2010\|title=A Field Guide to Earthlings\|pages=110-112\|isbn=9780615426198}}</ref>		<ref name="bk-field-guide-earthlings-pattern-36">{{cite book\|last=Ford\|first=Star\|year=2010\|title=A Field Guide to Earthlings\|pages=110-112\|isbn=9780615426198}}</ref>


			== text from the other Common Sense article==


			Common sense refers to a kind of shared knowledge between members of a group that are deemed "basic" and expected to be known by its participants. Examples of things considered common sense are basic arithmetic, handling of every-day objects and (to autistic people's detriment) social functions/expected behaviour.

			Some things that would be considered common sense, for example:
			* (arithmetic) that 2 + 2 equals 4;
			* (social behaviour) that you must say "Good morning" as a greeting while it's morning, but "Good afternoon" at the afternoon; At night you must use "Good evening" whenever you're '''entering''' a situation, and "Good night" when leaving;

			Allistic people are naturally inclined (by virtue of their neurotype) to absorb and internalize socially expected ideas -- which is a great obstacle for autistic individuals.<br/>
			When further investigating common sense as an autistic person, one finds '''it''' is not a "sense," nor is it "common"; it's merely an assemblance of propositions about the world that are shared within a community across time.

			= Usage of the term by allistics =

			'Common sense' is usually used to express a person who is "sensible" and "correct" (from the speaker's perspective) and has the basic 'knowledge' to 'function within society.' It also presents the idea of common sense being shared by the utmost majority and any deviation is subtly deemed wrong.

			<blockquote>
			* Anyone with any common sense would have known what to do.
			* Common sense and creativity are the essential qualities we need in an employee.
			* I am sure that common sense will prevail in the end.
			* There is no doubt that the court's decision is a victory for common sense.
			* You get out first, and then lift the boxes out. Honestly - use your common sense!
			</blockquote>[https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/common-sense]

			However, an idea which is called common sense does not imply it is '''fact'''.<br/>
			Examples of non-factual common-sense ideas are: that being in the cold gets you sick, lightning never strikes the same place twice, that you would sink if jumping on lava, et cetera.

			= Disagreements regarding Common Sense =

			Furthermore, for something to be deemed common sense, in colloquial use, it needs not to be common (in both small and big scales).

			In small scales, "common sense" will be used as a source by people, to express that a certain idea is taken by them as obvious and should not have needed to be explicitly said; often because of the false assumption that any knowledge the speaker has is also shared by other people.

			In big scales, there will be communities with conflicting information about topics. For example, it is believed in some groups that [[Antivax\|vaccination causes Autism]]; while it's common sense in autistic communities the fact that it does not.<br/>
			There is also a history of the idea of common sense being used against non-socially accepted identities (neurodivergent culture and behaviour, transgender people, non-binary identities and inclusive language, etc).

			In summary, common sense is a heavily-relied-on tool for allistics to approximate knowledge which it is incredibly useful and intuitive, but it lacks the consistency, consensus and verifiability of other systems of deriving knowledge such as, for example, [[wikipedia:Scientific_method\|The Scientific Method]].



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ZoeB at 16:51, 23 August 2022

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ZoeB at 20:14, 22 August 2022

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	~~= Common sense =~~

	When an [[Allism\|allistic]] person implores you to use '''common sense''', usually they're asking you to do what they do: copy whatever everyone else is doing, without learning why (or even if) it works.<ref name="bk-field-guide-earthlings-pattern-36" />		When an [[Allism\|allistic]] person implores you to use '''common sense''', usually they're asking you to do what they do: copy whatever everyone else is doing, without learning why (or even if) it works.<ref name="bk-field-guide-earthlings-pattern-36" />

ZoeB: Added another article from my own personal wiki. Note that references aren't yet working.

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Added another article from my own personal wiki. Note that references aren't yet working.

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= Common sense =

When an [[Allism|allistic]] person implores you to use '''common sense''', usually they're asking you to do what they do: copy whatever everyone else is doing, without learning why (or even if) it works.<ref name="bk-field-guide-earthlings-pattern-36" />

This is in contrast to how most autistic people learn things, by systematising them, learning the rules and exceptions, the tasks and subtasks, either from formal documentation or through personal experimentation.

Unfortunately, "using common sense" isn't as easy as simply observing and copying what other people are doing in the moment — it's assumed you will have already spent your entire life doing this unconsciously.

Yet again, unfortunately, I can only offer an explanation, not actionable advice. Probably the best you can hope for is that people will believe you, if you explain that you don't have common sense because you don't have the neurological process used to obtain it.

== References ==

<ref name="bk-field-guide-earthlings-pattern-36">{{cite book|last=Ford|first=Star|year=2010|title=A Field Guide to Earthlings|pages=110-112|isbn=9780615426198}}</ref>

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